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« Reply #30 on: March 05, 2010, 12:30:09 AM » |
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DOUBLE POST:
America: The only country with a system of government so crippled that a bill passing with a majority in one house (220-215), a supermajority in the second (60-40) -- with the full support of the executive branch, and whose provisions are supported by 60-75% of the public -- doesn't become law.
(Also, reconciliation is not even close to the same thing as the "nuclear option," why do people keep calling it that?)
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« Reply #31 on: March 19, 2010, 07:43:37 PM » |
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I think the public health care plan is stupid and truly if you want health care can't you just buy it your self or shouldn't your work provid it if your job is that dangerous
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J-Mon
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« Reply #32 on: March 19, 2010, 08:06:46 PM » |
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Can you provide the reasons why you think it's stupid?
(And I agree with you, I just want to hear what you're basing your argument on)
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« Reply #33 on: March 19, 2010, 08:12:27 PM » |
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truly if you want health care can't you just buy it your self
A year or two ago my mom received an estimate for health insurance from Blue Cross Blue Shield through her employer. The result? $900+ a month. Minimum wage is $7.25 an hour and the standard "work week" is 40 hours a week. Four weeks in a month. 7.25 * 40 * 4 = $1160 per month 1160 - 900 = $260 after insurance Please explain how to afford a mortgage, electrical bill, water bill, gas bill, car insurance, phone bill, and FOOD with only $260 a month. And J-mon, if you agree with him, you answer how my mom's supposed to afford all that too. |
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« Last Edit: March 19, 2010, 08:18:18 PM by cj »
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« Reply #34 on: March 19, 2010, 08:30:33 PM » |
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And J-mon, if you agree with him, you answer how my mom's supposed to afford all that too. I won't deny $900+/month is expensive. But is it the only plan your mom has access to? Can she find another plan that's cheaper than that? Have you been looking for a different plan? Because you have two options in this situation: A. Find a cheaper plan. B. Increase income. If A is not an option, then B is the only thing you can do. I don't know if you have a job or not, but if you mom wants health insurance THAT badly you could work to help shoulder the burden. I know it's probably not what you were wanting to hear, but that's the best I can think of based on the information you just gave me. |
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« Reply #35 on: March 19, 2010, 09:33:42 PM » |
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Have you forgotten about all the people who can't even find a job, J-Mon? For some people, it's hard enough just to find and keep a minimum-wage job, so how are they supposed to increase their income?
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« Reply #36 on: March 19, 2010, 09:39:55 PM » |
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That's why I asked if there was a cheaper plan available. If you can't go one way, maybe you could go the other way.
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« Reply #37 on: March 19, 2010, 09:41:21 PM » |
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A public option would be a cheaper plan.
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« Reply #38 on: March 19, 2010, 09:49:42 PM » |
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I have no job, J-mon. I only have $46.88 in my account.
Whatever will I do, sir?
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Wait, I'm Canadian. nvm
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"People fear death even more than pain. It's strange that they fear death. Life hurts a lot more than death. At the point of death, the pain is over. Yeah, I guess it is a friend."~Jim Morrison
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« Reply #39 on: March 19, 2010, 10:00:09 PM » |
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A. While my mom admits she hasn't looked for a cheaper plan, she's pretty sure she wouldn't find anything that much cheaper. She's hoping nothing big comes up until after she's on Medicare. Upon asking my mom for clarifications, she said it was closer to $1000 than it was $900. I don't think she'd find insurance under $700. B. If we include my income, then we need to include my health insurance, the cell phone bill, the Internet.... If I gave her everything I made, it wouldn't be enough to cover her insurance. It wouldn't be enough if she could find an estimate half as much which I highly doubt. I'm sure she wouldn't have gotten a different estimate if I didn't live with her. So how would you suggest she increase income on her own? Early 60s, high school diploma, no college, few people are hiring. wants health insurance THAT badly I don't know why I didn't realize this before, but that's an interesting word. Why is it that health insurance is optional while you are required by law to have car insurance if you have a car you plan on driving? While some might make the argument that if you don't want to pay for car insurance, don't buy a car, many places do not have adequate public transit after being laid out for motor vehicles instead of pedestrian traffic. |
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"I have a competition in me. I want no one else to succeed. ... There are times when I look at people and I see nothing worth liking." -Daniel Plainview, There Will Be Blood |
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« Reply #40 on: March 19, 2010, 10:20:39 PM » |
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So how would you suggest she increase income on her own? Early 60s, high school diploma, no college, few people are hiring. Well, there are those "work-at-home jobs" constantly pitched online, but honestly I don't think those things would work out even if you tried. There's just not much you can do in this situation really.  Why is it that health insurance is optional while you are required by law to have car insurance if you have a car you plan on driving? Fair question. My opinion is that it's easier to legislate requiring car insurance than requiring health insurance, but it could also be that car insurance is a tolerable cost while health insurance would not be, or that both of them together would be too expensive so people choose the car insurance only thinking they'll never need health insurance. I'm willing to bet that car insurance is less expensive than health insurance these days, though... |
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Anthy
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« Reply #41 on: March 19, 2010, 10:25:06 PM » |
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But why is car insurance a "tolerable cost" while health insurance isn't?
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J-Mon
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« Reply #42 on: March 19, 2010, 10:30:26 PM » |
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It's a perception we have ingrained in our society. Everyone (or almost everyone) thinks they "need" their cars, while not everyone (in particular younger people) thinks they "need" health insurance. That's why, given the choice, they would pay for car insurance instead of health insurance, and also why people go along with the car insurance requirement: you want your car repaired (or replaced as the case may be) ASAP while you think you'll never injure yourself more seriously than an occasional sprain or scrape.
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« Reply #43 on: March 19, 2010, 10:41:11 PM » |
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Given the choice, I would rather have a health care system where everyone is covered rather than a privatized system where peoples' health care is means to a profit.
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"I have a competition in me. I want no one else to succeed. ... There are times when I look at people and I see nothing worth liking." -Daniel Plainview, There Will Be Blood |
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« Reply #44 on: March 19, 2010, 10:52:31 PM » |
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Minimum cost for a decent health care policy in north america is over 900 dollars. And by decent, I mean, so bad I would never even take it. You sir, as well as all republicans, are completely out of touch with the current needs of the american people, if you somehow think that this situation is justifiable and rectifiable under your current health system. It seems almost hilarious to me that it's easier to get bad quality healthcare in Mexico, than any kind of health care at all in the US. |
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